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Politics--sorry--

Jersey brought this site to my attention. I haven't had a chance to explore it yet, but it seems to be a "vote-trading" arrangement, so that we poor, benighted souls in liberal Austin who will pointlessly vote democratic can transfer our votes to a swing-state, in exchange trading our vote for a 3rd party cantidate vote, so that the 3rd-party gets a popular voice while cosimultaneously the Nader-oriented voter can worry less about his valuable swing-vote taking away from Kerry, Bush, or whichever he values second to Nader. It's a bit of trust which I'm a little reluctant to put into my fellow human being's hands, but if everybody's on the up-and-up, it seems like a nice arrangement.

http://www.VotePair.org

Anyway, I'll be exploring this idea a bit when I get home this evening.

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spottedhyena
Oct. 15th, 2004 05:32 pm (UTC)
What happens if none of these progressive third party candidates are on the ballot in your state?
spottylogic
Oct. 15th, 2004 05:59 pm (UTC)
I dunno, I haven't done my research on this one, I'm at work right now.
jerseytude
Oct. 19th, 2004 12:55 am (UTC)
I just voted. (For Kerry - couldn't find a voter to trade with. There's alot fewer 3rd party guys than I think.)

Anyway, I was kind of dissapointed. Under Texas rules, if there is no application to BE a write-in candidate, there's no chance to write in someone else. In New Jersey, if there were no candidates I suppored on the ballot, I wrote in myself. I couldn't do that this year, and left "no votes."

But as for the presidency, Bush, Kerry, and Badnarik are officially on the ballot, with Cobb and Nader and many others as "write-ins." You scroll down to the write in button and that presents you with a list of "other" candidates. Which is cool unless you actually want to write in someone else.

It also works in the favor of Lorenzo Sadun, as people don't actually have to remember how to spell his name.
spottedhyena
Oct. 19th, 2004 11:24 am (UTC)
Where I live we get a copy of the ballot in the mail so we can see who's on it before we get to the poling place. During the mid-term elections I looked over the ballot and nearly fell over. Lyndon LaRouche was listed on the ballot as a Democrat. Weird considering that LaRouche is so far to the right that Bush looks like a pinko in comparison.
fletcher
Oct. 15th, 2004 06:02 pm (UTC)
you should note..
sites like this cropped up last election and were ruled illegal. you can't 'trade' your vote.

mind you, that can't stop you from calling a friend in, say, ohio, and doing it on your own, but doing it publically is officially frowned upon.
spottylogic
Oct. 15th, 2004 06:46 pm (UTC)
Re: you should note..
Well, like I said, I haven't investigated the site too much. If it's just a way to get e-mail addys to exchange informally, that might circumvent that. (sigh) On the other hand, a law that helps keep my vote useless? Grumble.
fletcher
Oct. 15th, 2004 07:04 pm (UTC)
Re: you should note..
actually, THAT isn't the law that makes your vote 'useless'. The law that does that is Article II of the U. S. Constitution, which establishes the electoral college as the mechanism for choosing the president, rather than by direct popular vote.

It's why Dubya is president, after all, getting approximately 500,000 fewer votes than Gore.

The law that prevents you from trading your vote is the same law that prevents party operatives from handing out cash, new cars, funky retro furniture or other 'things of value' in exchange for a promise to vote a certain way.

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spottylogic
Oct. 15th, 2004 08:14 pm (UTC)
Well, I understand that my vote matters in the "vocal minority" sense of the word "useful." I also am, owing to the magic of School House Rocks, relatively understandful of the Electoral College system. However, no force in the universe could convince me that my vote matters to any of the candidates running for office in the presidential election. For the democrats, Texas is a lost cause. That being said, last time I didn't vote, and I regret that, it would have been an honor to be among the 50.6% of voting Americans whose vote, also, didn't count for much.

Sorry, being a liberal in Texas really sucks. That's why I avoid political discussion, it's just so damn pointless here.

And yes, I know "understandful" isn't a word, but I've been listening to a CD of Bushspeak for a few hours now. BBC quote: "President Bush is waging a war on tax. Syntax, to be precise..."
stripey_d
Oct. 15th, 2004 07:50 pm (UTC)
I wonder why Utah has well over 1000 participants..? California has almost 900. A few others have 200-300, most having under 100. Weird...

Anyways, this site is too confusing for me, and it doesn't seem like it'd work out very legitimately. Although, I'd definitely like to see a progressive 3rd-party candidate in office sometime in the near future. It definitely doesn't seem to be feasible in this election, however...
artfulreggie
Oct. 15th, 2004 08:09 pm (UTC)
vioxel
Oct. 15th, 2004 11:07 pm (UTC)
The presidency isn't really where concerned democrats/ liberals/ progressives/ whatever in Texas should be focused. Make sure you know about each of your local elections, esp. your representative in the House. Your votes for Congress really do matter.
jerseytude
Oct. 19th, 2004 12:57 am (UTC)
Except that we've been gerrymandered so that, even there, we don't matter.
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