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Stupid Christians...

Grumble. Preface with standard disclaimer--I like Christianity, I think it's really cool.

But I can't see why Christians want to go to fun places and conspicuously not have fun at people.

I would be TONS more enticed by a conspicuous Christian that turned up at Elysium and danced, or played in the drum circle at Eeyore's Birthday Party dressed up like Jesus.

I am not impressed--only saddened for my mother's faith, formerly mine--when I see Christians at a big festival, loudly telling people that Jesus is there to redeem them. One of them had a sign that said "To mock sin makes one a fool" (Leviticus something). How do you defeat that sort of argument? I need a shirt or a quick-unfold sign that says "I have my own Goddess and my own boyfriend, and they're both more fun than your God."

Episcopalians NEVER do this kind of crap. They're usually too busy looking at the pottery booth or getting drunk.

Okay, mostly I wanted to use my new icon. So there.

Went shopping at Austin's monthly party-art show, First Thursday. Bought a pretty hair-tie thing, a wooden dowel running through a leather strap with a wolf paw print on it. Unfortunately I need way more than that to keep my mane tame, but it's a start.

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chakawolf
Apr. 7th, 2005 09:28 pm (UTC)
That icon IS pretty cool!

At MFF two years ago, I went to the Pagan SIG. Someone told a rather raw joke:

Want to know where Fundamentalists are coming from?
Look up 'fundament' and find out!

Everyone laughed, and the person running the panel reminded us that fun is fun, but don't disparage someone else's religion. I would like to see a Christian group support pagans if the situation was reversed! Where I come from, I can tell you that it ain't gonna happen.
spottylogic
Apr. 8th, 2005 05:12 am (UTC)
Christian-bashing is a kind of endemic bad habit some (not all) Pagans have. It's made me pretty upset when I was dealing with the Unitarian Pagans--a group that *specifically* is supposed to respect others' beliefs. Granted, a lot of pagans feel persecuted, and there *is* some serious persecution going on, and when I was a Christian I didn't exactly make fun of Pagans, but I had a hard time seeing them as a real faith. I've gotten over that.

Babble, babble. Intolerance just isn't sexy, regardless of what side of the fence is making fun of the other side. But the section of Christianity that is intolerant of the basic concept of "fun" is depressing, and can't possibly do the religion any long-term good.
jerseytude
Apr. 9th, 2005 01:44 am (UTC)
My view is that it's okay to make fun of Christianity when the beliefs are detrimental or just plain absurd.

Savior dies and is reborn? Okay, it's implausable, it's even kind of absurd in the "This could never happen, ever" kind of way, but it makes a lot of sense. God loves you but will send you to hell because he loves you so much? Bit more absurd. Stone the masterbater? I think it's time to make some fun.
spottylogic
Apr. 9th, 2005 04:53 am (UTC)
While I've always disliked christian-bashing, I can agree pretty solidly with that.
baktre
Apr. 8th, 2005 05:26 am (UTC)
*grins happily*

I assume there's a kind of person who likes being No Fun At All and that they will seek out places where they can do this...government drone, membership in a dominant religion, or librarian.

(just kidding about the librarian one. You guys are cool. *gives secret handshake*)
kt_kat
Apr. 8th, 2005 01:18 pm (UTC)
People like that are so convinced that they're right and you're wrong. Being righteous, being "superior" and telling you off as sinners gives them far more satisfaction than whatever activity they're condemning... (or so they feel.)

I just feel sorry for them. None of us truly knows what happens next...and I wouldn't wanna gamble with the enjoyment of the precious days on my life based simply on faith.
jerseytude
Apr. 9th, 2005 01:47 am (UTC)
Indeed. The problem with Christianity - and most other religions who say some are saved and some are damned - is that it's really nothing more than the playground politics. Those who philosophically are unsure of their position in life will try to lift themselves up by pushing down others. They can't actually *be* spiritual/holy, so they simply say that they're more spiritual than you by comparison. It's the same mechanism at work when people tease the unpopular kid simply because he's unpopular.

Call me crazy, but I really don't have a whole lot of respect for the religious in general. You start talking about your faith and I've got to wonder if you really believe it because you feel it's the right thing or if you believe it simply because I don't.
spottylogic
Apr. 9th, 2005 04:53 am (UTC)
The non-recruiting religions are a bit more tolerable. Of course, the basic creation of a group and then placing yourself in it creates secret club elitism, but humans will always have their little groups.

That's one of the most charming things about Unitarianism, though--the basic tenent of "well, we're right. Of course, you're right, too. Pretty much everybody's right as long as they're nice about it."
kt_kat
Apr. 9th, 2005 06:00 am (UTC)
I see exactly where you come from. People take religion so out of hand that they miss the point, so you get suicide bombers that are convinced that they're gonna get the seven virgins and all that when they explode in their martyrdom.

So many people are motivated by fear when they choose or keep a religion, or carry out its teachings. Since they become so sure that said religion dictates where they're gonna go after they die, they're gonna be the surest damn people they can be and defend those beliefs to stupid extents. They miss the guiding principles of the religion and throw bible phrases around, often incorrectly. "Well if it says it, it must be true!" They often fail to see that there are many other religions out there that are just as sure as themselves and have their own books as well.

The "hardcore" religious seem to solely be concerned about having their ticket to heaven. I believe religion was originally set out as guidelines to live your life well and with compassion, not criteria on how likely you will be to get into heaven.
apryl_knight
Apr. 9th, 2005 01:27 am (UTC)
Off the main topic, your new icon is disturbing and entertaining at the same time. Also, what sort of restraint were you thinking about for your hair? Just tossing around ideas...
spottylogic
Apr. 9th, 2005 04:50 am (UTC)
The one I picked up was sorta like what you'd recommended (wooden spike, leather oval with two holes punched in). I'd like to get another matching one, maybe the next time I make it down to First Thrsday there'll be anothe one there...
apryl_knight
Apr. 9th, 2005 11:55 am (UTC)
Cool. You know there's some like that at Things Celtic, and I know there's a few somethings-or-other at Natural Magic, but they might be all metal instead of leather. Harmoni picked up a really nice one. Good luck with it!
vioxel
Apr. 9th, 2005 10:56 am (UTC)
Um... Elysium did something rather unsavory. Last night, I think, they hosted a band called "Death In June," who evidently are associated with he neo-Nazi movement. I just learned about this recently, but it seems they did a benefit concert in Croatia for a fascist group, and routinely use Nazi imagery in their performances, including wearing SS uniforms.

I've never heard their music or seen a performance, so I really can't assert anything. It was just... disheartening to me that John would book a band like that.
spottylogic
Apr. 9th, 2005 07:47 pm (UTC)
Ew. Well, it's been a few years since I got there. John who? Not John Maverick, right?
vioxel
Apr. 9th, 2005 07:51 pm (UTC)
John Wickham. He's one of the owners. He's also running for City Council place 4.
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