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This Statement is Pointless--

  • Mar. 26th, 2008 at 1:29 PM
oatmeal!
spottylogic
"This Statement is False" is practically under the dictionary definition for "paradox."

Is "This statement is untrue" a paradox? If Untrue completely equals "false", then yes, it's a paradox. If "Untrue" means "does not partake of the quality of truth", then it doesn't seem like it would be a paradox, because a statement that contradicts itself does not have the quality of truth.

Gods, I'm bored.

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baktre
Mar. 26th, 2008 08:01 pm (UTC)
Dinner will help. Pecan chicken for teh win! :9
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spottylogic
Mar. 26th, 2008 08:05 pm (UTC)
Yah, but...
That's so long from now!
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furrybluenaki
Mar. 26th, 2008 08:26 pm (UTC)
Re: Yah, but...
Aww, I miss your cooking.
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spottylogic
Mar. 26th, 2008 08:43 pm (UTC)
Re: Yah, but...
You haven't even had my desserts yet!
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furrybluenaki
Mar. 26th, 2008 08:25 pm (UTC)
Did that statement become a paradox when you intended to read it, read it, became aware of its meaning, or on some other level of conscious perception?
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spottylogic
Mar. 26th, 2008 08:32 pm (UTC)
Well, "This Statement is False" is kind of a textbook paragraph, in that it obviously contradicts itself. I was just mentally kicking around "false" vs. "untrue" as concepts, because, well, extraordinarily bored right now...
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shockwave77598
Mar. 26th, 2008 08:37 pm (UTC)
"I promise to tell you only the truth, and the truth is that I'm a liar."

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fizzitt
Mar. 26th, 2008 08:48 pm (UTC)
Depends on how many values of "not true" you allow. In colloquial speech, "This statement is false" and "My name is Roybertito Q. Gonzalez" are both not true, but for different reasons.
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spottylogic
Mar. 26th, 2008 08:54 pm (UTC)
The latter doesn't negate itself--and is "this statement is false" not true? Since it's a paradoxical statement, it's sort of in an eigenstate between true and false. But "untrue" seems to have a shade of meaning that "not true" lacks.

Again, what all this boils down to is that I'm extraordinarily bored right now.
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turtle5338
Mar. 26th, 2008 09:39 pm (UTC)
"Untrue"
Well, is the statement cheating on it's partner statement?
Does the statement remain the same at all angles?
Does the statement waiver in it's religious beliefs?
True has more definitions than false. However, if you believe the Latin Etymology, False is from deceptive, so ...
If you are true to the Latin roots, even the statement being false is still deceptive. Therfore "This statement is false," is true and can remain as it is truthfully false.
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